“The narrower you focus your initial market, really really narrow, the larger your market actually is!!“  Barry James Folsom, CEO, Twirl TV 

The Rich Niche Group blog interviews and enables you to hear directly from successful entrepreneurs and product managers about the steps they took to grow their businesses/products and how they were able to create, penetrate, and/or dominate their niche.  This week we interview Barry James Folsom and we’ll come to understand how he has “focused” his companies in order to grow more quickly:

Interviewee:  Barry James Folsom, serial entrepreneur. 

Why Selected:  Barry James has over 37 years of executive management and strategic marketing experience with a successful track record of growing divisions and companies rapidly into category leaders. He has played pivotal roles in the creation of 4 major market categories: PCs, Workstations, Internet Data Centers and Web Conferencing.

As a respected company leader, Barry James was Frost & Sullivan’s 2002 CEO of the Year.  He is also a frequent speaker, e.g. Ad:Tech, Media Summit, Digital Hollywood, & Digital Connections.

Barry James is CEO of Twirl TV. Twirl TV is a Social TV gateway experience to online TV for the 30M 16-to-24 year old YouTube on-demand Generation whose PC is their TV.  Twirl TV viewers have choice – from over 400 shows/6000 episodes –  as well as camaraderie with their Twirl TV friends, including chatting and watching together on their respective PCs.

I had the pleasure of partnering and working with Barry James when he was the CEO of PlaceWare (now known as Microsoft Live Meeting) which he sold to Microsoft for $200M. 

In the following interview, Barry James provides you with some insights on how he was able to come into PlaceWare and implement some changes and processes that enabled them to grow faster.  In addition, he gives us a look inside his new company, Twirl TV, and how it is changing the way young adults access, watch and interact with their favorite TV shows.  During the interview, Barry James brought up several points and ideas about what it takes to solidly grow your company.  The key points you’ll take away include:

1.  Look for the pain points of your target market and how your solution can solve them.

2.  If your target market is already in the customer base of an established business, leverage that business to reach and gain customer acceptance.

3.  Know what your adoption cycle is and look for ways to decrease the time it takes to get a “sold” client using your service/product.  This will have an impact on everything from customer satisfaction to cash flow!

4.  Focus, focus, focus…by being narrowly focused you can get to know your prospect’s and client’s needs better and deliver a product/service they highly value.

 

You are now on your 2^nd start-up, how has the start-up Twirl TV differed from when took over at Placeware?

Twirl TV and PlaceWare are different in three ways. Twirl TV is 1) a raw startup focused on consumers, specifically 16-to-24 year old viewers; 2) leverages Facebook to gain viewers; and 3) Social TV collaboration aka chatting about the latest TV episode. Whereas PlaceWare was 1) had 30+ employees and revenues as a B2B business, 2) had a direct sales force and 3) business collaboration aka how are we going to close the sale. 

 

What drove you to start Twirl TV and what made you believe you could evangelize the concept to end users, investors and partners? 

We saw two major trends to jump in front of and we saw major pain points for our initial target segment (16-to-24 year olds).  The two major trends are 1) episodic primetime TV is readily available online/on-demand and the content library is growing daily; and 2) advertisers need smarter ways to gain access to, and engage with, the highly coveted 16-to-24 year old demo.

For our initial target viewers of 16-to-24 year olds, they have major pain points we at our age (older adults) don’t relate to, nor grasp.  And those pain points are that their PC is their only TV screen and they have a hard time discovering relevant entertaining content to chill out to with their TV friends.

 

Internet/Mobile TV (ITV) is a new concept for much of mainstream America and thus getting consumers to notice Twirl TV vs. the competition has to be difficult, what is Twirl TV doing to set itself apart from the competition?

As you indicate, first there are several ‘spaces’ and thus it’s all very confusing.  There is trying to get online video content to the TV (Internet TV), there are those trying to get video to the mobile phone, and finally there are a few of us working on delivering the TV experience, and in our case a new Social TV experience, to the PC/MAC.

So how do we set ourselves apart from the competition?  First, by being very focused on our initial target market of 16-to-24 year olds, we can leverage Facebook in many ways to deliver a Social TV experience with the few friends that are into TV with them.  So out of say 500 Facebook friends, we only expect our viewer to have 3 to 7 Twirl TV friends that they share their passion for say ‘Family Guy’ with.

Of course we will be compared to Hulu as our competitor, yet we actually focus on who are meta-competitor is and that is user generated content.  Why?   Because that’s where our target spends most of their video viewing time!  At a higher level, the entire TV industry has to come together collectively to help deliver compelling entertainment to this demo so they start watching more TV, not less, than the prior generation did.

In the end what really sets up apart is that Twirl TV has nailed what this demographic loves to do – socialize around their favorite TV episodes with their Twirl TV friends and that we are the only ones ‘who get them’.

 

When evangelizing the business, I have found many entrepreneurs have the same pitch for each audience.  Can you share your experience and the need to different pitches for each target audience (investors, partners, end-users)?

At the end of the day, the pitch has to answer for each audience “what’s in it for me”????  For business end-users, does it improve productivity, increase revenues or decrease costs?  For partners, does working with you gain us any competitive edge, increase our servable markets or open up a new market we can’t reach? For investors, if the opportunity really exists, can this team execute on winning major market share both effectively and efficiently so I get a 10X return on my money?  (And it’s worth noting today, many financial investors see today’s stock market having the potential to deliver a 5X return at much less risk than venture investing).

 

What were the biggest obstacles you ran into at the different stages of Placeware’s growth and how did you overcome them?  Are you seeing any of these same issues at Twirl TV?

There were three stepping stones (or obstacles we climbed) to get to success.  First was converting the emphasis from technology and features to nailing the experience and having a rock solid service.  That was a major change in values! Second was really understanding our sales cycle AND our adoption cycle (two vastly different loops).  Make sure a senior person is assigned full time to owning the adoption cycle of your users/consumers. Our analytics on our adoption cycle lead to major process/structural changes that improved adoption immensely as well as increased our sales!  Third, as you grow, the sales team collectively will ‘justify’ going off in several different directions.  It’s important to remember your size – we were $35M on the way to $50M in revenues, and we kept our focus and did not start a second product line.

 

At one point Placeware became known as a leader in the web conferencing/webinar niche. Once in that position, what did you set-up so that you stayed in that leadership position?  What were you doing different than others?

PlaceWare definitely owned the large scale webinar segment of the market.  Our competitor WebEx did a great job in the Small/Medium Enterprise market around small meeting collaboration.  We extended our lead in the F1000 niche with a strong secure service that the financial services industry came to deeply trust in time.

 Ken:  Having worked with PlaceWare from almost its inception, I want to add a little to what Barry James has pointed out:  When PlaceWare first came out of Xerox’s Parc Research Lab, it was an extremely feature rich web conferencing application, over time PlaceWare narrowed the features to the most widely used and earned their customer loyalty and new customers by providing a great experience coupled with exceptional new customer training and support.  This last part was a key factor during this time as web conferencing and webinars were still a new concept for most companies and individuals and the training was a key to getting client/partner buy in.

 

In general, what piece of advice would you give to someone who is either starting a new company or getting ready to launch a new product which they are hoping to either create and/or penetrate a niche?

Simple to say, very hard to do in practice:  The more narrow you focus your initial market, really really narrow, the larger your market actually is!! Yep, re-read that.  Counter-intuitive you bet.  Because when you are narrowly focused, you drill down 3 to 5 layers of detail in knowing your customer to really deliver specific value to that target vs. being generic (and feature rich) but not delivering the core – if you take this away, I will do you bodily harm – VALUE to that target.

Thanks for the insights Barry James!